153. The Man Who Invented The Internet (Tim Berners-Lee)

  • Podcast

  • 15 September 2025

  • Posted by Alastair Campbell

  • 1

Tim Berners-Lee could be one of the richest men on the planet, why did he forfeit such large profits to make the world wide web a free and open space? How do we reclaim the internet from social media companies taking away our sovereignty? Have tech giants like Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk thanked Tim for his invention? 


Rory and Alastair are joined by Sir Tim Berners-Lee to discuss all this and more. 


Visit HP.com/politics to find out more.


TRIP Plus:

Become a member of The Rest Is Politics Plus to support the podcast, receive our exclusive newsletter, enjoy ad-free listening to both TRIP and Leading, benefit from discount book prices on titles mentioned on the pod, join our Discord chatroom, and receive early access to live show tickets and Question Time episodes.


Just head to therestispolitics.com to sign up, or start a free trial today on Apple Podcasts: apple.co/therestispolitics.


Instagram:

@restispolitics 

Twitter:

@RestIsPolitics 

Email:

restispolitics@gmail.com


Social Producer: Harry Balden

Video Editor: Adam Thornton

Assistant Producer: Alice Horrell

Producer: Nicole Maslen

Senior Producer: Dom Johnson

Head of Content: Tom Whiter

Exec Producers: Tony Pastor + Jack Davenport

Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

One response to “153. The Man Who Invented The Internet (Tim Berners-Lee)”

  1. Alastair,

    There was a glaring point that you and Rory missed in your analysis of Tim’s potential financial gains he could have made from the web.

    The point is this:
    If he had charged for it, it would never have taken off.

    If he had charged people couple of quid per month to use it, a LOT less people would have ever used it, or build a website in the first place.

    Competing companies using different networking protocols would have emerged, and you would have had fragmentation. Nothing like the web we use today. The internet could have remained an obscure thing that only nerds knew existed for decades, or even forever, without someone like Tim stepping up to urge everyone to use one standard way of communicating across it.

    Many folks in the computer science world could have done the technical stuff that Tim has done. He’s not a genius for coming up with a networking protocol (HTTP), or a document format (HTML)

    His real achievement is choosing to make it free, such that it could grow and become a tool for the good of all humanity; and doing the hard follow-up work to make web standards stay as one standard.

    I often considered how rich Tim could have been if he charged £10/mo for people to use it – but the answer is this:
    Not very rich at all, actually, and the web would not be anything close to “world wide” as a result.

    Food for thought I hope!

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *

192. Are We On The Brink Of World War III? (Odd Arne Westad)

How similar is today's world to the months before the outbreak of World War I? Could Taiwan, India-China tensions, or an unforeseen crisis be the spark that sets the world ablaze? Are our leaders too ... Continue

8 June 2026

539. Embezzlement, the Mandelson Texts, and Hasan Piker’s UK Ban

What does the SNP embezzlement case reveal about how scandal-ridden British politics is? Is the banning of prominent left-wing American commentators Hasan Piker and Cenk Uygur a sensible decision or a... Continue

4 June 2026

538. The Pope’s AI Warning and Alastair Reacts to Blair’s Attack

Is Pope Leo’s encyclical the most important contribution to the AI debate so far, and is he doing more to hold Silicon Valley to account than any Western government? What did Alastair say to Tony Bl... Continue

3 June 2026

Alastair Campbell’s diary: My airport row with a Trump supporter

It started badly – and when he said the UK was unreliable, I lost it... Continue

3 June 2026

191. Is It Already Too Late to Control AI? (Anthropic Co-Founder, Jack Clark)

Why is one of AI's most powerful insiders scared of what he's building? Who's really in charge of the technology reshaping our world? Is it too late for governments to regulate it? Rory and Matt Clif... Continue

1 June 2026

Who Funds Reform? The Missing Millions

Who is the secretive billionaire bankrolling Reform — and what does he want? How did a brand new party raise and spend £17 million with no public explanation? As Farage inches toward power, who's r... Continue

29 May 2026

537. Indicting Trump, Israeli Prisons, and Rory vs. Ed Miliband

What connects Trump’s Cuba blockade and Ben Gvir’s abuse of flotilla activists? As Richard Tice denies climate change science, will reality catch up with Reform UK – and what is Rory’s issue w... Continue

28 May 2026

536. Is Trump’s Corruption Machine Reaching New Extremes?

Has the scale of Donald J. Trump’s corruption become too big to prosecute? Is the US Constitution now a roadmap to tyranny instead of a protection against it? Why do 72% of Gen Z think things will o... Continue

27 May 2026