137. Jacinda Ardern: Why I Stepped Down as Prime Minister of New Zealand

How should New Zealand navigate their complex web of alliances as the relationship between China and the US deteriorates? Jacinda Ardern was considered a beacon of hope when she came to office in 2017, how did she navigate this pressure? To what extent is politics about personal gratification and the pursuit of power? 

Alastair and Rory are joined by the former Prime Minister of New Zealand, Jacinda Ardern, to answer all this and more. 

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