168. A Climate Special: Populism, Security, and Leadership
29 December 2025
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8 January 2024
What's it like to run Belgium for a decade? How many people in the EU actually believe in 'ever-closer union'? What are the pros and cons of being a career politician?
On today's episode of Leading, Rory and Alastair are joined by former Belgium prime minister and advocate of a federal Europe, Guy Verhofstadt, to answer all these questions and more.
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I only just listened to this podcast. Question to Rory, why were you banging on about GV being gung-ho for “ever closer union”. Of course he wanted to weaken the veto. But
didn’t you listen to what he said about subsidiarity? It was actually quite important.