Europe needs to get real on defence; Britain needs to get real on Europe
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Alastair, I’d a woman – man thing. All women are genetically programmed to believe they know best how to stack a dishwasher, along with the genetic predisposition to moan and berate men about it. My advice is to back off slowly avoiding eye contact and occasionally muttering “yes dear”
At least no one need tell you not to wash your dirty laundry in public … that’s just not going to happen, is it? I’ve found in my limited experience that there’s one thing worse than a husband who can’t (or won’t) load dishwashers or washing machines and that’s one who can! The results of over-eager husband’s attempts at domesticity are far more likely to bring us to the brink of divorce than if he would just PLEASE LEAVE THINGS ALONE!
I can vouch that you can indeed stack a dishwasher, having seen you do it. Though it must be said my partner routinely rearranges the dishwasher if I’ve stacked it.
Alastair…your wife and I are definitely married to the same man…you may look different on the outside but that doesn’t fool me. The last time my husband attempted to get something out of the dishwasher he cut his hand three times…and then blamed me !!!! All of this just adds to my theory that the grass is never greener on the other side so you might as well stick with what you have (except in exteme circumstances of course).
Alastair this can all be explained by the fact that you are an uncompromising, workaholic, Alfa Male of a certain age/generation (Not a criticism, just a statement). Having said that Fiona did know what she was taking on. She also stated on W H that she had enabled you to fall into this pattern over the years. This behaviour is set early in life; it is not too late for your sons though!
Alastair – your blog needs a catchy title if it’s really going to take off. How about “Fiddling while the country burns” or “Reflections on life from a champagne socialist” ?
ROB – I would say that ACs blog has already “taken off”
That really brightened up a rather bleak morning, thanks! My girlfriend was asking why the hell I was laughing so much. 🙂
I hate housework and whole-heartedly agree that it takes time away from much more important things such as writing (occasionally), reading (a lot) and brooding (mostly).
A few years ago, I used to be quite neat, but nowadays, I leave all housework until I can’t ignore it any longer because I’m tripping over it. Unsurprisingly, my girlfriend disapproves.
I allow my husband to make the bed occasionally and try not to make it again. It’s called empowerment. But he has been slow in improving his skills over the last 20 years.
I think it’s lack of motivation. Maybe he needs some sort of community champion. I wonder whether he actually WANTS to do the job properly.
Hmmm…what she needs to do is focus on the outcomes.
From the start I made sure my workaholic, political lobbyist, partner understood that the cook does not do the washing up. And I’m the cook.
This was painful to start with as said partner was not used to dishwashers but in the end, after giving a few pointers, I just left him to it – finding it easier just not to look, frankly – and instead just focus on whether the plates and glasses I get out of the cupboard are clean or not.
He may well have put them the right way up in the dishwasher, etc, etc but he’s responsible for getting the things clean, not solely putting them in the dishwasher.
It’s the focus on activity, rather than outcomes, that has made many Govt targets fail to make things better.
(Sorry, didn’t mean to make a political point, but couldn’t help myself).
If anyone in our house loads the dishwasher,my husband rearranges it ! Hows that for having a well trained partner, even if it does drive us all mad ! Ps. He is also very good at ironing
This is a storm in a teacup as far as I can see. Rise above it AC! You’re a bloke and that’s all there is to it, I’ve found the Listen Again thingy to be unreliable – I don’t think it’s you.
Some very good soundbites being posted by my Facebook friends rallying to my cause as FM continues to exploit my name and reputation in shameless pursuit of book-plugging on Mumsnet.
‘Tough on grime, tough on the causes of grime.’
‘We don’t do dishes.’
‘I don’t miss the microwave and hoover. I do miss … what do I miss. I do miss the dishwasher.’
I’ve added a couple ‘Ask me my three priorities for the future and I tell you – dishwashing, dishwashing, dishwashing.’
‘What’s wrong with a bogstandard sink and scouring brush?’
‘The People’s Dishwasher’
Actually, that aspect of you was quite apparent in the Comic Relief Apprentice show you did, no? If I remeber correctly you did not know how to change the staplers in a stapler…
Tough on grime, tough on the causes of grime!
(thank you! I’m here all week! Try the fish!)
I do hope that this unpleasant public turf war shows a need to re-think traditional roles in society. Alastair, you are right to defend yourself for (not) doing the dishes, replacing bulbs etc just as Fiona is right to reap praise for handling her career and/or housework. It’s all about choice and one’s wish to comply with the terms of a partnership. But I am rather disturbed by women who are fiercely defending their domestic territory. This will only re-enforce male expectations for women to stick with it. These roles are not innate, but constructed. And we cannot talk our way out of something into which we behaved. I am a 24/7 fiercely career-oriented type of woman, but also do my own dishes, laundry and ironing, replace bulbs, and even advised a poor fellow down the hall on how to unclog his sink (Jesus, dude!!).
I am my own trouble-shooter, and if I think it’s worth it, I may decide to live with a man who can’t do any of this. But the last time I told a guy about my terms, he asked me if I had any morals, and then dismissed the whole thing with the cheapest shot: “why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free” (i.e. I am not putting up with this attitude, but will pretend to until I get what I want). My response was: “why buy the entire pig for just a tiny sausage?”
At least you have a dishwasher! We actually have to do the washing and drying ourselves…
What advice do you have for a career focussed woman, who cannot manage housework, partnered with a career-focussed man similarly housework-challenged? Can’t get a housekeeper; too poor and too socialist. I fear we are condemned to live in intellectually stimulating squalor.
It’s most certainly not a woman – man thing…. I am genetically untidy (my excuse, but seems to apply to the entire family, male and female) and rely on my husband to do everything except cook and iron. Not sure that he could change a tyre, but he’s very good at all the rest. Especially making the bed. As for the dishwasher thing – it’s a mystery to me. I do load it, but I’ve no idea if I’m doing it right.
If you want to find out more, we (her publishers) have launched a website for the book. http://www.theworkingmotheronline.co.uk
I think you should get Bono and Geldoff to organise a fundraising concert to endow every household in the UK with a dishwasher. It would halve the divorce rate. The concert could be called Rinse Aid.
Hi Ali….sorry Burnley were screwed in the Carling Cup….about the dishwasher? Remember Dziadek Donald’s system…”You’ll wash,He’ll dry. ” Rememeber my b’day on the 11 th….Mikey
I don’t think this a gender issue. Apart from cooking, mowing the lawn and assembling a flatpacked item of furniture about once every three years, I am largely incapable of household chores. Well, not so much as incapable as unaware. I don’t notice that washing up needs to be done until there are literally no more clean plates, or that bins need to be emptied while it is still possible to close the lid, or that ironing needs to be done… um… ever. This means that every time my boyfriend (partner? common law husband? Never quite sure what to call him) has to go away for a few days, the house degenerates into chaos and squalor within an hour or two of his departure. He’s been known to come home and discover that I have inadvertently left wet clothes in the washing machine, and that they have gone mouldy.
On the other hand, while he is excellent at domestic stuff, he goes into a blind panic at the first sign of any minor hiccup involving computers, whereas I’m at least semi-competent on that score.
Talking of which… if you’re having problems with Listen Again, it might be because your browser is set not to enable plug-ins. If you’re using Internet Explorer 6 or above, try going to Tools, then selecting Manage Add-ons. That brings up a list of extra stuff that you can add to your browser to make it do interesting things. Look for RealPlayer, or RealPlayer Active X Control, and check that it’s enabled. If it’s disabled, select it by clicking on it, then click ‘Enable’.